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Javi Creus's avatar

Thanks for this article, and looking forward to read the book. I have just published an article with question I've been researching for the few last months which is very much aligned: How can we pre-distribute future abundance?

https://open.substack.com/pub/javicreus/p/how-do-we-pre-distribute-future-abundance?utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&utm_medium=web

Shreeharsh Kelkar's avatar

I like this article and maybe this will work in terms of its stated goal of providing a guiding vision and goal that unites pro-technology Abundance people with small-c conservative regular types but I'll be honest: I don't see it.

The argument, to me, seems to tie together too many disparate things (the backlash against scrolling video, the YIMBY movement, the value of work) in order to stitch together an imagined workless (worklite?) utopia as a goal that will increase the salience of the Abundance campaigns. But it seems to me to require several steps that don't compute.

For instance, while it's true that Peter Thiel is famous for saying "we wanted flying cars and we got Facebook" (some version of this), his point was about feckless government and he was talking about futuristic technologies (space travel and what not). Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson, on the other hand, are mostly concerned with the kind of construction that already happens in China and Europe (housing, transit) but doesn't seem to happen at the same scale in the US. I can see the two sides being fellow travelers on narrow issues but I really can't see them sharing this utopia. I simply can't see Thiel agreeing to a utopia in which most people have *hobbies*, instead of jobs, for long parts of their lives.

On a different note, the work-lite utopia is also a theme of Marxist thought. In fact, Peter Frase wrote a great piece in Jacobin about "Four Futures" (https://jacobin.com/2011/12/four-futures) and one of his futures is Communism (Egalitarianism and Abundance) which seems to be roughly congruent with the one sketched out here. But Frase is explicit that these are *post-capitalist* futures. I wasn't sure about the role of the market economy in Brink's but I assume that the difference will be important.

Does the Abundance movement really need an all-encompassing vision like this? As the late Richard Rorty once put it, maybe it's easier if the Abundance remains wedded to specific campaigns rather than trying to become a movement to transform humanity (https://dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/campaigns-and-movements/).

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